Initial phone screen purely information gathering by the part time admin for the company. Second step the owner called and the conversation was basic chit chat with a huge sales pitch and fist pumping like you were buying a used car from the guy. The call was approximately 20 minutes in which there was nothing technical and although he tries to came across as technical his technical knowledge is purely points from memory that he's picked up from a couple engineers which as time progressed you realize he just regurgitates things he'll promise to customers in order to make a sale then hang all staff out to dry when it's time to produce. Looking back at the interview process and seeing the staff that were filling seats on client sites the owner was doing just that " filling seats" to provide customers with a false sense of security. The short interview was a smoke and mirror show executed by a professional fluffer